Posts by Adam Believed

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ambition is not a dirty word

by snare&racket in

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i can't decide if it is based on jealousy, class or the watchtower.

that shameful cult turned the word ambition into a dirty word.

it made the idea of self reliance and self worth a tainted thing.

So true how words or phrases become dirty according to the watchtower. I recall many years ago a CO gave a talk and he made the point that we really shouldn't say "take it easy." He siad this phrase encourages a "worldy" attitude of laziness and selfishness. So, you can't be ambitious and you can't take it easy or you will get labled as having a "wordly" attitude.

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10 Hottest Issues about Jehovah's Witnesses-Your Opinion Please

by raymond frantz in

hi guys ,i'm currently updating my website (www.new-jw.org) and would like to build a page with the 10 hottest issues about jehovah's witnesses .i'm still a believer therefore i would like to concetrate most on doctrines and less on policies.

i build a list below, please tell me what you think ,your feedback is much appreciated :.

united nations affiliationbaptised in the name of an organizationmemorial ,jesus' sacrifice denial mealblood idolization of the governing body 1914pedophilia casesjesus is not your mediatorharsh disfellowshiping policycounter productive witnessing of the good news

Adam Believed

The org fits the profile of a cult (All the Shunning). Told not to speak to a person just because an announcement was made that a person is no longer a JW? WTF!!! No one is allowed to communicate with an Ex-Member. The best way to keep info (TTATT) from spreading. That's a cult if I ever heard of one. Couldn't see that when I was in.

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I'm not DF or DA, but I still get shunned...

by darthfader in

i met a couple i used to know many years ago (probably 20) in a local "big box" store.

i knew they looked familiar and since they were dressed up and it was saturday "mid day" i put two and two and two and came up with 666... they were jw's.

i didn't say anything to them just minded my business picking up supplies when the woman came over to me and started asking me if she new me from work or some company.

Adam Believed

I quit going to the meetings pretty much out of the blue (no real fade) but always go up to the "friends" and say hi when I see them out and about... A few shunned me right away as if I had been DF'd or I DA'd. It was crazy! Now I'm speaking out a bit about my doubts and I think I've been found guilty in the court of public opinion in the shunning congregation of jehovah's fakers... Now I'm just having fun with it...

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Bible Teach Book has been getting a facelift WT Style

by RayPublisher in

well the book they use to conduct bible studies is already showing its age, and just like the changes they made to the live forever book they are doing it to the bible teach book as well.

here is something i found on the kool aid site jw talk .

net:.

Adam Believed

I always got a kick out of the old pic where the thug is pointing his weapon at the victoms face in a way that the thug would get a bullet to his head too! It made me hate this pic. I thought how ignorant is the society?

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Day One After Armgeddon written by a JW awaiting the Big A w/eager expectation - Warning: LOOOONG!!!

by Eve Deceived in

once we found out we were all witnesses, we all hugged.

now we just had to see if our kingdom hall was still standing.

when we came to the hall we had such a huge shock.. there were so many people there.

Adam Believed

Wow, that futuristic story of god induced genocide sounds so much better than the reality i'm living in. Thanks for sharing Eve. I'm going to start imagine my future after the big A right now...

Scene 1. Ext. Smoldering ruins. Day.

V.O. Adam.

"it's been 19 days since the big A. There are some Jehovah's Witnesses still in denial but it has become pretty clear to most of us that the mormans are the ones who had it right... We're getting word that they are occupying their own planets now and it won't be long before we are completely enslaved by them here on earth as it is now a real hell."

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CANADA | Toronto Star | May 3, 2013 - Jehovah's Witnesses: Kindness is an act of grace - not an obligation

by jwleaks in

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who should be responsible for financially supporting jehovah's witnesses, who put misguided faith in the failed 1975 "end-of-the-world" predictions, and went full-time preaching without any consideration for retirement many years later?.

kindness is an act of grace not an obligationare successful brothers ethically required to help aging moneyless sister?

toronto star.

Adam Believed

Ken Gallinger nailed it. Spot on. It's about choices that lead to a conclusion... Helping is good but not an obligation just because a person has made por choices.

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Bethel Brother's explanation to young mother as to WHY God would destroy children at armegeddon

by Newly Enlightened in

back when we were still active in the cong.

we became friends with a young couple with 2 small kids.

they were newly baptized and wanting a better future for their kids.

Adam Believed

LostGeneration Said - "Shows what a lifetime of super hard core brainwashing can do to a person, he actually thinks killing HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of innocent children is just the greatest thing in the world".

And Blondie Said - "I heard a smiliar comment attributed to Fred Franz, that when you kill lice you have to get the nits too".

These comments and the original post reminds me of a Documentary I was watching featuring an indepth look at Auschwitz (Auschwitz, Inside the Nazi State) and the architects of the death camps. A few former SS soldiers were asked how they could have had a hand in the killing of children? A couple of the SS members answered they understood the children were innocent at the time... but that they would grow up to be adult jews and then pose a threat. Oskar Gröning An 8 Minute Clip form show on Youtube. At about minute 4 is where Oskar Gröning describes why he thought Jewish children should be murdered. Truly heart breaking! I guess Jehovah god, Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Mengele and the rest of the Nazi party have a lot in common. For me, looking at a tangable and recent example of genocide puts the idea of a god destroying innocent people, especially children, into a pespective my mind can comprehend... It's disgusting and appalling! I can't watch without feeling sick...

Holocaust Encyclopedia

Adam

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My quick introduction

by Adam Believed in

hi, all.. ive been lurking and reading for many months now.

i have been an active member of jwrecovery for sometime now.

its iphone friendly!

Adam Believed

"Please remember that Elders are not your friends and they are not your family.

Thanks for the reminder Black Sheep. I view elders as law enforcement. They took an oath and are enforcing laws that the higher ups passed. They are doing their jobs. I think an elder could be my friend and my family! Probably not in reality because they would have to give up follwing the rules which we know won't likely happen or I would have to be completely fake and that's not going to happen. Aren't there many ex-elders on this forum? I'm sure they would have appreciated a friend who could understand them while they were learning TTATT. I try to see people as people to the best of my ability. I don't discriminate againts a person based on their relgion (that's not easy for me). I didn't when I was a dub and I sure as hell won't start now! Until I know someone is hurting another person or until someone crosses me personally, I will give the the benifit of the doubt. I know that the disgusting practices of the org are hurting so many! The shunning, the stance on blood, neutrality, education to mention just a few are destroying people and families and even leading to deaths! But to take it out on one elder seems to put me at odds with my moral duty as a human. It's a slow and somewhat painful process but I feel compelled to treat every witness I come across, including elders, as individuals and let them treat me good or bad based on their own level of belief. Once they treat me bad because of some stupid religions belief... Then F**k em! They are not worth my time.

Not sure you what mean by "Save your questions for people who are important to you, and then leave them to answer your questions rather than providing your answers for them."

Thanks,

Adam

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My quick introduction

by Adam Believed in

hi, all.. ive been lurking and reading for many months now.

i have been an active member of jwrecovery for sometime now.

its iphone friendly!

Adam Believed

Hi, All.

Thanks so much for the welcomes...I know many of you through your posts and comments to the posts.

Lois, thanks! My wife is on here. She was the one who did all the "dirty work" and heavy lifting and found all the resources like this forum. She doesn't post much but I'm sure you would remember the few that she has posted. She is more the "guns ablazing" type. I'm damn proud of her! But, I'm keeping my forum distance for now as she has come out and ripped the GB openly. I am playing it cool with those in our local cong. We are both taking different approaches for now. As for me, it's a bit of an experiment. I want to see how long I can string the elders along (not in a mean way or to be cruel... just curious). I will go into more details later in a seperate post about what I'm attemting to do.

Hi, whathappened. The only members of my family that are jdubs are my dad and brother (my birth giver kicked the bucket a while ago. She was a dub but an aweful person). I don't really have a relationship with my dad. Never had a falling out or anything he is just not in my life. He's not big on touchy feely things like love and stuff. My brother is inactive but seems to still believe. He doesn't care. As far as friends... some level of shunning. But, I don't shy away from approaching any local dubs I see while out and about. I will run up to them and say Hi, how are you! We miss everyone at the hall. Blows their minds! I do NOT act apologetic for not being at the meetings. I just say "I don't feel like attending right now." It seems that most "inactive witnesses have a high leval of shame and tend to want to hide. That is what the active witnesses expect to see. So, when they see me all happy to see them they really don't know what to do. We have only lived here for a couple of years. Our really good friends are thousands of mile away. So, no contact from them anyway. That would be a different story. This would be going a little different if we had not moved in the last couple of years. I would still take this approach as I feel it is the best for me.

Adam

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My quick introduction

by Adam Believed in

hi, all.. ive been lurking and reading for many months now.

i have been an active member of jwrecovery for sometime now.

its iphone friendly!

Adam Believed

Hi, All.

I’ve been lurking and reading for many months now. I have been an active member of JWRecovery for sometime now. It’s Iphone friendly! This site is great! A wealth of information.

I was raised a dub. Baptized at 14 (I’m now 38). Served as a ministerial servant for a few years. Last year (around Aug 2012), my wife allowed her self to look into some things that had bothered her about the "society,” the teachings, the beginnings of the religion, things like how the WT says it’s better to let your husband beat you instead of divorce him... " Steve had hit me as I had tried to prove a point" - " Realizing that I needed to adjust my thinking" - " After 17 years, Steve accepted the truth" ( Watchtower 2012 Apr 1 p.29)* WTF! 17 years of this sh*t. I wish I would have run into Steve in a dark alley... Anyway, back to my story - My wife and I have a great relationship and support and encourage free speech and free thought! No mind control in our home (at least that’s what she tells me… That was a joke). So, she brought up some points to me… UN/NGO, child molestation cases and how the elders are to deal with them, the whacky teachings of Russell. I have never been a big fan of god. Simply put, he always seemed a bit of a narcissistic, psychotic, murdering A-Hole. But, I had to remind myself that I could never have the wisdom god has and will never be able to see things from his perspective. This is his universe right? How dare I even question him and the way he does things? That’s what I was raised to believe and indoctrinated to believe. So, I did have to take it a little slow when my wife brought to my attention the things earlier mentioned. But, within a few days (yes, I believe it was days… maybe a week) I started coming around. We decided to do the fade. Funny, we were so disgusted by what we were learning we pretty much just quit going to meetings and everything else. If you are curious about anything feel free to ask questions. I don’t see a need to go on an on about me. I’m just another victim of the GB, a victim of fear and a victim of not trusting my gut. I take some responsibility in not questioning sooner. I question everything. My wife does too. If we hadn’t been raised dubs I can’t imagine we would have ever been in the org. But, one never knows for sure until put in that position. But that’s not this story and no point in going there.

Thanks to all those involved in posting insightful thoughts, links, and so forth. They have been a great help. Thanks for those who post crap too… We all need a good laugh once in a while.

Adam

* Watchtower 2012 Apr 1 p.29
"Selma recalls a lesson she learned from the Witness who studied with her. “On one particular day,” says Selma, “I didn’t want to have a Bible study. The night before, Steve had hit me as I had tried to prove a point, and I was feeling sad and sorry for myself. After I told the sister what had happened and how I felt, she asked me to read 1 Corinthians 13:4-7. As I did, I began to reason, ‘Steve never does any of these loving things for me.’ But the sister made me think differently by asking, ‘How many of those acts of love do you show toward your husband?’ My answer was, ‘None, for he is so difficult to live with.’ The sister softly said, ‘Selma, who is trying to be a Christian here? You or Steve?’ Realizing that I needed to adjust my thinking, I prayed to Jehovah to help me be more loving toward Steve. Slowly, things started to change.”After 17 years, Steve accepted the truth. Click for scan.

Watchtower 2012 Apr 1 p.29